Comments on: Random Questions and Thoughts. Password Protected Garage Door Remotes, Twitter Security, MUNI Drivers, Burgers, etc http://beerpla.net/2009/03/04/random-questions-and-thoughts-password-protected-garage-door-remotes-twitter-security-muni-drivers-burgers-etc/ where things have nothing to do with beer - tutorials, tips, how-tos, thoughts, hacks, and other techy nonsense Wed, 10 Mar 2010 20:40:57 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: free microsoft point http://beerpla.net/2009/03/04/random-questions-and-thoughts-password-protected-garage-door-remotes-twitter-security-muni-drivers-burgers-etc/#comment-22914 free microsoft point Tue, 01 Sep 2009 11:09:03 +0000 http://beerpla.net/2009/03/04/random-questions-and-thoughts-password-protected-garage-door-remotes-twitter-security-muni-drivers-burgers-etc/#comment-22914 I personally don't have windows that can be broken on the first floor, but it's a valid point, of course. However, using a garage opener, just like using a key, leaves no traces of a break-in. I personally don't have windows that can be broken on the first floor, but it's a valid point, of course. However, using a garage opener, just like using a key, leaves no traces of a break-in.

]]> By: Free bingo http://beerpla.net/2009/03/04/random-questions-and-thoughts-password-protected-garage-door-remotes-twitter-security-muni-drivers-burgers-etc/#comment-18936 Free bingo Thu, 04 Jun 2009 05:18:06 +0000 http://beerpla.net/2009/03/04/random-questions-and-thoughts-password-protected-garage-door-remotes-twitter-security-muni-drivers-burgers-etc/#comment-18936 I would go with the burger question more because i love eating junk food :) I would go with the burger question more because i love eating junk food :)

]]> By: Jonno http://beerpla.net/2009/03/04/random-questions-and-thoughts-password-protected-garage-door-remotes-twitter-security-muni-drivers-burgers-etc/#comment-16213 Jonno Tue, 21 Apr 2009 01:30:10 +0000 http://beerpla.net/2009/03/04/random-questions-and-thoughts-password-protected-garage-door-remotes-twitter-security-muni-drivers-burgers-etc/#comment-16213 Re public transport toilet stops. Where I live in Australia, there's a fair number of bus stops (generaly the major stopping points) which have locked toilets which allow the driver to drop the kids off at the pool. Trains have toilets at each station, but I don't often see the drivers going for a dump. I guess if you are fairly regular, you know your pooing schedule and can work with that. If not, there's medications which will make you get blocked up. There's always diapers if you are into that kind of thing :) Re public transport toilet stops.

Where I live in Australia, there's a fair number of bus stops (generaly the major stopping points) which have locked toilets which allow the driver to drop the kids off at the pool.

Trains have toilets at each station, but I don't often see the drivers going for a dump.

I guess if you are fairly regular, you know your pooing schedule and can work with that. If not, there's medications which will make you get blocked up. There's always diapers if you are into that kind of thing :)

]]> By: Amanda http://beerpla.net/2009/03/04/random-questions-and-thoughts-password-protected-garage-door-remotes-twitter-security-muni-drivers-burgers-etc/#comment-14199 Amanda Sun, 08 Mar 2009 10:20:35 +0000 http://beerpla.net/2009/03/04/random-questions-and-thoughts-password-protected-garage-door-remotes-twitter-security-muni-drivers-burgers-etc/#comment-14199 Great discussion. I still have a wooden garage doors but now am thinking of automatic ones with passwords.Thanks for the link! Great discussion. I still have a wooden garage doors but now am thinking of automatic ones with passwords.Thanks for the link!

]]> By: Artem Russakovskii http://beerpla.net/2009/03/04/random-questions-and-thoughts-password-protected-garage-door-remotes-twitter-security-muni-drivers-burgers-etc/#comment-14111 Artem Russakovskii Fri, 06 Mar 2009 06:13:40 +0000 http://beerpla.net/2009/03/04/random-questions-and-thoughts-password-protected-garage-door-remotes-twitter-security-muni-drivers-burgers-etc/#comment-14111 @Owen Excellent link. Interestingly, I just found that the site that services SF <a href="http://www.nextbus.com" rel="nofollow">NextBus.com</a> uses GPS technology rather than odometer and transmitters. I have my doubts though. @Owen
Excellent link. Interestingly, I just found that the site that services SF NextBus.com uses GPS technology rather than odometer and transmitters. I have my doubts though.

]]> By: Owen http://beerpla.net/2009/03/04/random-questions-and-thoughts-password-protected-garage-door-remotes-twitter-security-muni-drivers-burgers-etc/#comment-14110 Owen Fri, 06 Mar 2009 05:58:09 +0000 http://beerpla.net/2009/03/04/random-questions-and-thoughts-password-protected-garage-door-remotes-twitter-security-muni-drivers-burgers-etc/#comment-14110 How Do Trains And Buses Know Where They Are? My understanding is that the buses do have a way of periodically communicating the mileage (odometer) on the bus to some central location via radio. The route is fixed, so that's enough to locate the bus. I learned that from Raymond: http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2009/02/17/9427102.aspx How Do Trains And Buses Know Where They Are?

My understanding is that the buses do have a way of periodically communicating the mileage (odometer) on the bus to some central location via radio. The route is fixed, so that's enough to locate the bus. I learned that from Raymond:

http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2009/02/17/9427102.aspx

]]> By: Artem Russakovskii http://beerpla.net/2009/03/04/random-questions-and-thoughts-password-protected-garage-door-remotes-twitter-security-muni-drivers-burgers-etc/#comment-14105 Artem Russakovskii Fri, 06 Mar 2009 03:52:48 +0000 http://beerpla.net/2009/03/04/random-questions-and-thoughts-password-protected-garage-door-remotes-twitter-security-muni-drivers-burgers-etc/#comment-14105 @Amanda I'm not sure what you got confused about. The car is not in the house - the car is outside. Plus, just because the car is outside doesn't mean anyone is home, for example I take public transportation to work. I think a CCTV is an overkill, unless you're really rich. @Amanda
I'm not sure what you got confused about. The car is not in the house – the car is outside. Plus, just because the car is outside doesn't mean anyone is home, for example I take public transportation to work. I think a CCTV is an overkill, unless you're really rich.

]]> By: Amanda http://beerpla.net/2009/03/04/random-questions-and-thoughts-password-protected-garage-door-remotes-twitter-security-muni-drivers-burgers-etc/#comment-14104 Amanda Fri, 06 Mar 2009 03:47:33 +0000 http://beerpla.net/2009/03/04/random-questions-and-thoughts-password-protected-garage-door-remotes-twitter-security-muni-drivers-burgers-etc/#comment-14104 I also got confused with your statement. The car is in the house so I assume the whole family is in the house as well. But then again, I suggest you also install CCTV cam in the garage or something that would alarm when someone breaks in. I also got confused with your statement. The car is in the house so I assume the whole family is in the house as well. But then again, I suggest you also install CCTV cam in the garage or something that would alarm when someone breaks in.

]]> By: васеk http://beerpla.net/2009/03/04/random-questions-and-thoughts-password-protected-garage-door-remotes-twitter-security-muni-drivers-burgers-etc/#comment-14048 васеk Wed, 04 Mar 2009 21:26:37 +0000 http://beerpla.net/2009/03/04/random-questions-and-thoughts-password-protected-garage-door-remotes-twitter-security-muni-drivers-burgers-etc/#comment-14048 Take a look - http://www.reedbrotherssecurity.com/garage_door_openers.htm Now start to look for a garage opener with Diffie-Hellman key exchange implementation (so that your password isn't prone to MITM attacks or something). Take a look – http://www.reedbrotherssecurity.com/garage_door_openers.htm

Now start to look for a garage opener with Diffie-Hellman key exchange implementation (so that your password isn't prone to MITM attacks or something).

]]> By: Artem Russakovskii http://beerpla.net/2009/03/04/random-questions-and-thoughts-password-protected-garage-door-remotes-twitter-security-muni-drivers-burgers-etc/#comment-14044 Artem Russakovskii Wed, 04 Mar 2009 19:02:53 +0000 http://beerpla.net/2009/03/04/random-questions-and-thoughts-password-protected-garage-door-remotes-twitter-security-muni-drivers-burgers-etc/#comment-14044 @васеk I would like to know if there is such a thing as a garage remote with a few keys on it. Apparently we could argue about this for a long time and it wasn't my point to discuss other ways of robbing a house. @васеk
I would like to know if there is such a thing as a garage remote with a few keys on it. Apparently we could argue about this for a long time and it wasn't my point to discuss other ways of robbing a house.

]]> By: васеk http://beerpla.net/2009/03/04/random-questions-and-thoughts-password-protected-garage-door-remotes-twitter-security-muni-drivers-burgers-etc/#comment-14042 васеk Wed, 04 Mar 2009 18:47:45 +0000 http://beerpla.net/2009/03/04/random-questions-and-thoughts-password-protected-garage-door-remotes-twitter-security-muni-drivers-burgers-etc/#comment-14042 Your first point doesn't contradict mine. > I don't know why Well, apparently not to get your garage opener. > It is much easier to break a window (or pick most car locks) than to pick a house lock That's simply not true for 99% of American homes. > The point is, it is a key to your house that is readily available. I don't like your use of "readily". 2) If your car is outside, chances are, you are at home. Thus, not many burglars will risk robbing a house with an owner inside. I could come up with many more strategies of robbing your house -- other than breaking in your car to get a hold of a garage opener. You're stuck upon one way of entering your house, while ignoring thousands of others, some of which are much simpler. Your first point doesn't contradict mine.

> I don't know why
Well, apparently not to get your garage opener.

> It is much easier to break a window (or pick most car locks) than to pick a house lock
That's simply not true for 99% of American homes.

> The point is, it is a key to your house that is readily available.
I don't like your use of "readily".

2) If your car is outside, chances are, you are at home. Thus, not many burglars will risk robbing a house with an owner inside.

I could come up with many more strategies of robbing your house — other than breaking in your car to get a hold of a garage opener. You're stuck upon one way of entering your house, while ignoring thousands of others, some of which are much simpler.

]]> By: Artem Russakovskii http://beerpla.net/2009/03/04/random-questions-and-thoughts-password-protected-garage-door-remotes-twitter-security-muni-drivers-burgers-etc/#comment-14038 Artem Russakovskii Wed, 04 Mar 2009 18:12:09 +0000 http://beerpla.net/2009/03/04/random-questions-and-thoughts-password-protected-garage-door-remotes-twitter-security-muni-drivers-burgers-etc/#comment-14038 @васек 1) I don't know why - mine got broken 3 times so far, 2 of which right next to the front door. For the last case, see http://beerpla.net/2007/03/18/the-beer-car-gets-burglarized/. It is much easier to break a window (or pick most car locks) than to pick a house lock, and picking the latest bump-proof locks isn't as easy anymore. The point is, it is a key to your house that is readily available. You wouldn't want to leave the keys to your house in your car, would you? 2) He could indeed. I personally don't have windows that can be broken on the first floor, but it's a valid point, of course. However, using a garage opener, just like using a key, leaves no traces of a break-in. 3) Refer to 1) where the car was parked right outside the front door. There are many vectors, but this one is too obvious for me to ignore. It's a key to my house, [almost] openly available for taking. @васек
1) I don't know why – mine got broken 3 times so far, 2 of which right next to the front door. For the last case, see http://beerpla.net/2007/03/18/the-beer-car-gets-burglarized/. It is much easier to break a window (or pick most car locks) than to pick a house lock, and picking the latest bump-proof locks isn't as easy anymore.
The point is, it is a key to your house that is readily available. You wouldn't want to leave the keys to your house in your car, would you?

2) He could indeed. I personally don't have windows that can be broken on the first floor, but it's a valid point, of course. However, using a garage opener, just like using a key, leaves no traces of a break-in.

3) Refer to 1) where the car was parked right outside the front door.

There are many vectors, but this one is too obvious for me to ignore. It's a key to my house, [almost] openly available for taking.

]]> By: васек http://beerpla.net/2009/03/04/random-questions-and-thoughts-password-protected-garage-door-remotes-twitter-security-muni-drivers-burgers-etc/#comment-14033 васек Wed, 04 Mar 2009 17:04:29 +0000 http://beerpla.net/2009/03/04/random-questions-and-thoughts-password-protected-garage-door-remotes-twitter-security-muni-drivers-burgers-etc/#comment-14033 Security is not a product it's a process. You have to consider maximum possible vectors of attacks burglars may use to enter your house. For example: 1) Why would I want to break a window in your car? This creates noise and chances of getting noticed are increased. A burglar could just as well quietly pick lock his way in to your house in 2 minutes assuming you have an average lock. Else, if you have a good lock, He/She may consider robbing someone else. 2) If burglar doesn't care about the noise, why couldn't he just break the window in your house? 3) You may ask "what if my car is parked far enough from the house so that no noise could be noticed?" Well, that assumes that this particular burglar is specifically targeting you -- which is most likely just result of your paranoia. If someone is specifically targeting you, good luck with your password protected garage opener. There are unbounded number of vectors smart attackers may employ -- and the one you pointed out doesn't seem to be the most convenient to execute. Security is not a product it's a process. You have to consider maximum possible vectors of attacks burglars may use to enter your house. For example:
1) Why would I want to break a window in your car? This creates noise and chances of getting noticed are increased. A burglar could just as well quietly pick lock his way in to your house in 2 minutes assuming you have an average lock. Else, if you have a good lock, He/She may consider robbing someone else.
2) If burglar doesn't care about the noise, why couldn't he just break the window in your house?
3) You may ask "what if my car is parked far enough from the house so that no noise could be noticed?" Well, that assumes that this particular burglar is specifically targeting you — which is most likely just result of your paranoia. If someone is specifically targeting you, good luck with your password protected garage opener.
There are unbounded number of vectors smart attackers may employ — and the one you pointed out doesn't seem to be the most convenient to execute.

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