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Updated: March 3rd, 2010

13 Responses to “Random Questions and Thoughts. Password Protected Garage Door Remotes, Twitter Security, MUNI Drivers, Burgers, etc”

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  1. васек says:

    Security is not a product it's a process. You have to consider maximum possible vectors of attacks burglars may use to enter your house. For example:
    1) Why would I want to break a window in your car? This creates noise and chances of getting noticed are increased. A burglar could just as well quietly pick lock his way in to your house in 2 minutes assuming you have an average lock. Else, if you have a good lock, He/She may consider robbing someone else.
    2) If burglar doesn't care about the noise, why couldn't he just break the window in your house?
    3) You may ask "what if my car is parked far enough from the house so that no noise could be noticed?" Well, that assumes that this particular burglar is specifically targeting you — which is most likely just result of your paranoia. If someone is specifically targeting you, good luck with your password protected garage opener.
    There are unbounded number of vectors smart attackers may employ — and the one you pointed out doesn't seem to be the most convenient to execute.

  2. @васек
    1) I don't know why – mine got broken 3 times so far, 2 of which right next to the front door. For the last case, see http://beerpla.net/2007/03/18/the-beer-car-gets-burglarized/. It is much easier to break a window (or pick most car locks) than to pick a house lock, and picking the latest bump-proof locks isn't as easy anymore.
    The point is, it is a key to your house that is readily available. You wouldn't want to leave the keys to your house in your car, would you?

    2) He could indeed. I personally don't have windows that can be broken on the first floor, but it's a valid point, of course. However, using a garage opener, just like using a key, leaves no traces of a break-in.

    3) Refer to 1) where the car was parked right outside the front door.

    There are many vectors, but this one is too obvious for me to ignore. It's a key to my house, [almost] openly available for taking.

  3. васеk says:

    Your first point doesn't contradict mine.

    > I don't know why
    Well, apparently not to get your garage opener.

    > It is much easier to break a window (or pick most car locks) than to pick a house lock
    That's simply not true for 99% of American homes.

    > The point is, it is a key to your house that is readily available.
    I don't like your use of "readily".

    2) If your car is outside, chances are, you are at home. Thus, not many burglars will risk robbing a house with an owner inside.

    I could come up with many more strategies of robbing your house — other than breaking in your car to get a hold of a garage opener. You're stuck upon one way of entering your house, while ignoring thousands of others, some of which are much simpler.

  4. @васеk
    I would like to know if there is such a thing as a garage remote with a few keys on it. Apparently we could argue about this for a long time and it wasn't my point to discuss other ways of robbing a house.

  5. васеk says:

    Take a look – http://www.reedbrotherssecurity.com/garage_door_openers.htm

    Now start to look for a garage opener with Diffie-Hellman key exchange implementation (so that your password isn't prone to MITM attacks or something).

  6. Amanda says:

    I also got confused with your statement. The car is in the house so I assume the whole family is in the house as well. But then again, I suggest you also install CCTV cam in the garage or something that would alarm when someone breaks in.

  7. @Amanda
    I'm not sure what you got confused about. The car is not in the house – the car is outside. Plus, just because the car is outside doesn't mean anyone is home, for example I take public transportation to work. I think a CCTV is an overkill, unless you're really rich.

  8. Owen says:

    How Do Trains And Buses Know Where They Are?

    My understanding is that the buses do have a way of periodically communicating the mileage (odometer) on the bus to some central location via radio. The route is fixed, so that's enough to locate the bus. I learned that from Raymond:

    http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2009/02/17/9427102.aspx

  9. @Owen
    Excellent link. Interestingly, I just found that the site that services SF NextBus.com uses GPS technology rather than odometer and transmitters. I have my doubts though.

  10. Amanda says:

    Great discussion. I still have a wooden garage doors but now am thinking of automatic ones with passwords.Thanks for the link!

  11. Jonno says:

    Re public transport toilet stops.

    Where I live in Australia, there's a fair number of bus stops (generaly the major stopping points) which have locked toilets which allow the driver to drop the kids off at the pool.

    Trains have toilets at each station, but I don't often see the drivers going for a dump.

    I guess if you are fairly regular, you know your pooing schedule and can work with that. If not, there's medications which will make you get blocked up. There's always diapers if you are into that kind of thing :)

  12. Free bingo says:

    I would go with the burger question more because i love eating junk food :)

  13. free microsoft point says:

    I personally don't have windows that can be broken on the first floor, but it's a valid point, of course. However, using a garage opener, just like using a key, leaves no traces of a break-in.

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